Egypt Rolling Updates Wednesday 09 Feb

Mexico wrote:this is an interesting account of the youth's tactics of using the internet, not to organize themselves but to fool and throw off the police of where they would demonstrate next....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/10/world/middleeast/10youth.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes

Mexico wrote:This young aspiring photo journalist (a kid really) gives what I think is the best account of how it was for journalists on the ground. His own story. Andrew Burton, remember that name.-..

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Before I got to where the fighting was taking place, I noticed a pro-Mubarak supporter painting slogans over anti-Mubarak graffiti. I started to photograph him, but was suddenly grabbed from behind by a young man who also slapped his hand over my camera – he was very angry.

I immediately tried to walk away, out of the crowd. There was no reason for me to try to argue or fight, I figured I would reroute to Tahrir square through a different street. At this point, things got very hairy, very fast.

Within seconds, anti-Mubarak protestors saw me try to leave the crowd – they grabbed me and encouraged me to continue to walk towards to fighting. Pro-Mubarak supporters got very angry over this, and fighting broke out around me immediately.

Very suddenly 50% of the crowd started attacking me – kicking, punching and slapping. The other 50% (anti-Mubarak supporters) quickly encircled me to protect me. Five or six guys surrounded me and took many more blows than i did. We tried to move away, out of the crowd, but the crowd had gotten very large, very quickly – we only moved about 100 yards, at best. Movement was slow and clunky, we were stumbling through the people attacking us – forcing our way through the crowd. We were headed towards an Egyptian army tank and when we hit the it, the men positioned me with my back to the tank, squatting down. At this point, I was pinned. People continued to kick, punch and grab at cameras. Soldiers standing on top of the tank were waving pistols and screaming. I was fucking terrified. My shirt was ripped from my back, hands went into my pockets (the most they got was my CF cards), the men protecting me were looking at me screaming me, ‘you are safe, we are here for you, we will get you out of this.”


http://www.andrewburtonphoto.com/blog/

Mexico wrote:On Tuesday Suleiman told Egyptian newspaper editors that an escalation of the protests could unleash further repression. "We can't bear this for a long time," he said. "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

Suleiman warned of "the dark bats of the night emerging to terrorise the people" and said the alternative to negotiations on the government's terms was that "a coup happens". This would mean "uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".

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Fascinating admission of the extent and breadth of the apparatus of terror,,,,

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:On Tuesday Suleiman told Egyptian newspaper editors that an escalation of the protests could unleash further repression. "We can't bear this for a long time," he said. "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

Suleiman warned of "the dark bats of the night emerging to terrorise the people" and said the alternative to negotiations on the government's terms was that "a coup happens". This would mean "uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".

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Fascinating admission of the extent and breadth of the apparatus of terror,,,,

Have you got a link to this article Mexico?

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:On Tuesday Suleiman told Egyptian newspaper editors that an escalation of the protests could unleash further repression. "We can't bear this for a long time," he said. "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

Suleiman warned of "the dark bats of the night emerging to terrorise the people" and said the alternative to negotiations on the government's terms was that "a coup happens". This would mean "uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".

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Fascinating admission of the extent and breadth of the apparatus of terror,,,,

Have you got a link to this article Mexico?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-protest-talks-union-mubarak

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:On Tuesday Suleiman told Egyptian newspaper editors that an escalation of the protests could unleash further repression. "We can't bear this for a long time," he said. "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

Suleiman warned of "the dark bats of the night emerging to terrorise the people" and said the alternative to negotiations on the government's terms was that "a coup happens". This would mean "uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".

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Fascinating admission of the extent and breadth of the apparatus of terror,,,,

Have you got a link to this article Mexico?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-protest-talks-union-mubarak

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:On Tuesday Suleiman told Egyptian newspaper editors that an escalation of the protests could unleash further repression. "We can't bear this for a long time," he said. "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

Suleiman warned of "the dark bats of the night emerging to terrorise the people" and said the alternative to negotiations on the government's terms was that "a coup happens". This would mean "uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".

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Fascinating admission of the extent and breadth of the apparatus of terror,,,,

Have you got a link to this article Mexico?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-protest-talks-union-mubarak

Amazing that that specific quote (in bold) was eliminated from every other rag. It is certainly a very dark ominous threat. But it is as if Suleiman is referring to forces even beyond his control. Who could they be? Who indeed! I have my guesses,,,,

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:On Tuesday Suleiman told Egyptian newspaper editors that an escalation of the protests could unleash further repression. "We can't bear this for a long time," he said. "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

Suleiman warned of "the dark bats of the night emerging to terrorise the people" and said the alternative to negotiations on the government's terms was that "a coup happens". This would mean "uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".

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Fascinating admission of the extent and breadth of the apparatus of terror,,,,

Have you got a link to this article Mexico?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/egypt-protest-talks-union-mubarak

Amazing that that specific quote (in bold) was eliminated from every other rag. It is certainly a very dark ominous threat. But it is as if Suleiman is referring to forces even beyond his control. Who could they be? Who indeed! I have my guesses,,,,

Please share Mexico

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Please share Mexico

I can always count on your curiosity!

It is a guess... but the "dark bats" are paramilitaries employed and organized by the very wealthy -- mostly poor and uneducated, rural, landless, with a serf mentality, a loyalty only to their land owning master. When the police are too scared and stay home, and the Army is ineffectual, the secret police and these paramilitaries join forces. Without military discipline, they are a ruthless combination. They'll attack in the day and round up suspects at night. It is the last line of defense...

Just a guess,,, but I've seen it before...

Strawberry wrote:

Mexico wrote:

Strawberry wrote:

Please share Mexico

I can always count on your curiosity!

It is a guess... but the "dark bats" are paramilitaries employed and organized by the very wealthy -- mostly poor and uneducated, rural, landless, with a serf mentality, a loyalty only to their land owning master. When the police are too scared and stay home, and the Army is ineffectual, the secret police and these paramilitaries join forces. Without military discipline, they are a ruthless combination. They'll attack in the day and round up suspects at night. It is the last line of defense...

Just a guess,,, but I've seen it before...

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